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Paul Howe Haha, just noticed this on my glory roll. Lies, damned lies, and statistics

Eoin M I can't believe I'm on this list considering the amount of games that I've lost due to numbers.

Edward McCullagh woooooooo!

Eoin M Well done

Charlie Reams I question any leader board which makes me the 15th best numbers player...

Jim B Must admit this leaderboard's puzzles me slightly sometimes, as I've always considered Craig and Matthew to be the best aptonumberists, but they're rarely near the top. Something to do with them doing lots of "difficult" ones, 6 smalls and such?

Ben Hunter my surname is on here, the list must be broken.

Jack Hurst Ooh, maybe a table showing what proportion of each type a person has played would make things cooler.

Charlie Reams Yeah, exactly that Jim. I guess it just doesn't really measure what the title might suggest.

Jack Hurst For people who have played over 30 rounds in 4 or 5 different types, you could take their four best percentages and average them to make a new leaderboard. In all honesty, I think there's already enough numbers leaderboards, and I am just suggesting this because I want to to add to my glory roll. *Shame face*

Matt Morrison Good reasoning Jim, thanks for namechecking me too.

Eoin Jackson That Thomas dude should be on this list... A notable absence

Martin Bishop Awesome! Probably won't be as high as 7th again, because I'll have a job from tomorrow, but great to know I can climb that high.

Andy Platt 100% is ridiculous, even if its under a relatively small sample size

Matt Hamer Ha... I was shocked when Andy's comment led to this page popping up in my "notifications". I can only assume I'm (temporarily) top 10 here due to (a) only having played 42 numbers rounds (heh, in 191 games), and (b) having played almost exclusively easy selections like 1 large.

Eoin M What the fudge?!

Gevin Chapwell This page probably isn't much more informative than this one: http://apterous.org/statland.php?section=top_players

David Barnard I want to get around 90% some day, I have a lot of work to do!!

Chris Butler Depends what format you play most though David. My 1L average is 93% but get lowered due the amount of 4L I play!

Andy Platt same, people that i'm probably better than at numbers make this list but i'm 51st. fair play to dan though!

Simon Taylor Haha I'm a maths graduate and all. Didn't help that I kept screwing up entering the solutions for the first week or two.

David Barnard Conor proving he's not just a monster at letters and conundrums

Andy Platt lol, sick. i know there's an argument that a lot of top numbers players will play 6S, 3L and 4L, but to be top by 5% is very impressive.

Gevin Chapwell I'd say the 5% gap is pretty much meaningless. The fact that he is on 94.4% isn't totally meaningless though, because it's hard to be on that even if you just do 1 large. (He's currently second on the 1 large list.)

Callum Todd woo :D

Jen Steadman STOP BEATING ME AT EVERYTHING :'(

Zarte Siempre Lol 100%

David Barnard Only took 2 and a half years

Andy Platt Well, this board is largely irrelevant, as it basically rewards playing 1 large and 2 large.

Marcus Hares ...which is what most people play, so I'd suggest it was entirely relevant?

Andy Platt Not at all, strong numbers players will usually play 6 small, or maybe 3L/4L, which tends to give a lower max percentage.

Marcus Hares I agree wholeheartedly, the strong players will do that. But the majority (ie- the not so strong players) don't.

Andy Platt Shall we agree that it is relevant for a lot of people but not all? :)

Marcus Hares Yes :)

Simpatico Jones http://www.apterous.org/chat.php?base=1422475729&dir=earlier

Gevin Chapwell I think it was decided ages ago that this leaderboard doesn't do what the title suggests. It has far less credibility than the individual selection type leaderboards.

David Barnard Simpatico: ?? and Gevin, I knew full well that induvidual selections count more but this is a nice stat as it makes me think I'm a bit less poor :P

David Barnard Oh yeah I found it now

Gevin Chapwell Obviously getting over 90% is very good whatever the selection choices are.

George Ford I found myself thinking "Hey, I only qualify for the 4 large leaderboard" and it got me thinking "I wonder if anyone has topped this leaderboard without qualifying for any of the individual leaderboards" which got me thinking "I wish that some of this data was stored i.e. highest % topper or highest number of rounds topper etc." ticket worthy or nah?

George Ford I DON't UNDERSTAND
4 large - 71 rounds 82%
this - 80 rounds 90%
isn't that impossible??? Am I going crazy??? This doesn't add up the whole world is broken ??? 82*71+9*100)/80 = 84% this just cannot be

Gevin Chapwell That's definitely ticket-worthy.

George Ford it is broken ???? but it is good broken for me ... i will wait until it is making me look worse not better ok

Jamie M 4 Large: 58/71 = 82%
All numbers: 72/80 = 90%
Non-4L: ?!

Yeah well spotted, might be worth ticketing. Also ticket the other thing if you like - it'd be good to see who's topped these with the highest number of rounds (highest % is a bit redundant since 100% has been done for most)

David Barnard Maybe George didn't play enough rounds to get included in some of the other categories and has a higher percentage than 90 in those other ones

Jamie M Sort of, but that still implies a bug somewhere. 82% from 71 rounds (4L) is 58/71 maxes, and 90% from 80 rounds (this page) is 72/80 maxes. For it to add up he'd need to get 14 maxes in his nine non-4L rounds.

Callum Todd I notice that this page specifically says "standard" rounds, presumably meaning normal variant, while the 4L one doesn't, so many numbers in goat and/or other variants count towards this but not that.

George Ford but that doesn't make sense CALLUM or DAVID as the 71 4L are definitely included in this leaderboard, so 71 of my 80 were still 82%... 80-71 = 9

George Ford I think what happened was that the tables update at different times. Look at this now, 56/72 are 4L and 86%, and this says 90%, which makes sense. Maybe yesterday when I noticed this table had only just updated and removed a bunch of the 4 large games featuring on the 4L leaderboard. CASE SOLVED

Graeme Cole I thought that, but according to the bit at the bottom, this page and the 4 large page update every day about two minutes apart.

George Ford oh dear

Gevin Chapwell Maybe they're using different definitions of "max"...

Zarte Siempre Gevin Chapwell - Equine sado-masochism specialist.

Gevin Chapwell Yep. That's me.

Ian Volante As an aside, I've not been aware of being so high in this list before.

Matt Morrison That's what happens when you get so high.

Jim B It's super-volatile, this list, if you play at least semi-regularly. I was 86% a week ago, 78% a couple days ago and 72% now; unless you're some kind of all-around genius it mainly comes down to the numbers format you play, really.

Steve Balog One of the major biases of this stats page, as has been mentioned before, is a player's numbers preference. A stronger numbers player who likes 6S, 3L, or 4L will naturally be lower than they should be because even a strong numbers player will get lower in their oddball selection than a good but not top flight numbers player would get in 1L.

Like, I'm currently well ahead of everyone on the sparsely populated 3L board, but that percent has quite a few people ahead of me on this board.

George Ford so you're saying I'm super awesome king of games

Steve Balog Yea basically haha

Picking 4L as standard and being 3rd on this board is quite good :)

Jen Steadman Lol.

Chris Butler Much better table than before, nice one Charlie, I'm not quite sure I understand it, but I like it :)

Jim B This is fantastic, cheers Mr. R.!

Gevin Chapwell Yes. This is a good table.

Zarte Siempre I don't understand it. But I'm 2nd on it. so I'm OK with this.

Peter J Clarke Can't believe I'm in the Top 20!!

Peter J Clarke So happy to be in the Top 20!!

Zarte Siempre Well done Ben.

Elliott Mellor I made it!:-)
Probably won't last for long but I'm chuffed with this!

Eoin Jackson Joins Apterous:- 24-12-2016.
Owns it:- 21-02-2017.

Cream rises! Congrats :)

Elliott Mellor Meh, hardly owning it. I'm not a patch on a lot of people in terms of overall skill but hey, top of the numbers list is something I'm proud of!:-)

Joyce Phillips amazed to be in the top 20!

Eoin Jackson Duh, Elliott.
It was clearly a hyperbolic compliment.
but yeah, very well done.

Elliott Mellor Be interesting to see if it lasts. It's possibly the only list I'll ever be top of lol.

Ian Birdman Yep great stuff Elliott! Really impressive bud.

Elliott Mellor Maintaining it will be tough!

Elliott Mellor Talk about holding something for a short time....

Graham Harrison to be fair, im happy with 60th best overalll numbers players

Noel Mc Top 5, wahey!

Elliott Mellor Nice one Noel:-)

Chris Butler Not really sure how this page works, it tells me that I've maxed 123 out of 138 which is 89%, yet it gives me a score of just 44%

Elliott Mellor It uses the lower bound of confidence intervals, which is perceived as more accurate. And/or maybe you haven't played enough of one of the disciplines, which would give you a bound of 0 for one and significantly lower your average.

Noel Mc I need to play more of something... 3rd on 6 small, 8th on 4L, 16th on this.

Roger Vincent What's happened to the stats updates, not just these but the letters etc. too? They all seem to have last been done around 9 days ago, 15th Nov, but claim to be imminent.

Ian Volante Might have broken, there were some issues recently. Maybe worth putting in a ticket.

Ian Birdman It seems to have updated OK for me. BTW I am now top...

Rhys Benjamin And again? Many pages haven't been updated for 10 days now.

Fiona T George officially the best numberist as of today! Lovely stuff :)

Robin M Dang nearly made the top 10 :)